4557. 'He and all the people who were with him' means with all things there, that is to say, all things within the natural. This is clear from the representation of Jacob, to whom 'he' refers here, as the good there, dealt with in 4538, and from the meaning of 'the people' as the truths there, dealt with in 1259, 1260, 2928, 3295, 3581; so that 'the people who were with him' means the truths that go with that good. And because all the things within the natural are connected with goods and truths, the words used here mean with all things there.

2862. 'That it was pointed out to Abraham, saying' means the Lord's perception. This becomes clear from the meaning of 'being pointed out' as thought and reflection, and of 'saying' as perceiving, often dealt with already. The Lord's reflection and perception, dealt with in the internal sense of the Word, cannot be expressed in any other way in historical narratives than as 'being pointed out' and 'laying'. Furthermore reflection and perception in itself is an internal pointing out and saying.