4557. 'He and all the people who were with him' means with all things there, that is to say, all things within the natural. This is clear from the representation of Jacob, to whom 'he' refers here, as the good there, dealt with in 4538, and from the meaning of 'the people' as the truths there, dealt with in 1259, 1260, 2928, 3295, 3581; so that 'the people who were with him' means the truths that go with that good. And because all the things within the natural are connected with goods and truths, the words used here mean with all things there.

3525. 'Jacob said to Rebekah his mother' means the Lord's perception from Divine Truth concerning natural truth. This is clear from the meaning of 'saying' in historical narratives of the Word as perceiving, dealt with in 3509, from the representation of 'Jacob' as natural truth, dealt with in 3305, and from the representation of 'Rebekah' as the Divine Truth of the Lord's Divine Rational, dealt with in 3012, 3013, 3077. The reason why perception from Divine Truth concerning natural truth is the meaning and not, as appears to be the case from the sense of the letter, from natural truth concerning Divine Truth, is that all perception which the natural possesses originates in the rational. Here, therefore, since the subject has reference to the Lord, perception originating in the Divine Truth of the Divine Rational is meant.