4708. 'And Israel said to Joseph' means perception from the Divine Spiritual. This is clear from the meaning of 'saying' in the historical narratives of the Word as perceiving, dealt with in 1791, 1815, 1819, 1822, 1898, 1919, 2080, 2619, 2862, 3395, 3509, and from the representation of 'Joseph' as the Divine Spiritual, dealt with in 4669.

3510. 'Behold, I listened to your father speaking to Esau your brother, saying' means that the desire of the Divine Good of the Divine Rational was for the affection for good. This is clear from the representation of Isaac, to whom 'father' refers here, as the Divine Good of the Divine Rational, dealt with already; from the meaning of 'speaking' as willing, dealt with in 2626, 2951, 3037; and from the representation of 'Esau' as the affection for the good within the natural, dealt with above in 3508.