1991. 'He said to him' means perception. This is clear from the Lord's perception which came from Jehovah, dealt with already in 1919, and from the fact that in the internal sense 'Jehovah saying' or 'God saying' means perceiving, 1602, 1791, 1815, 1819, 1822.

In the Bible, things that are lower down, or under, physically, generally represent things that are lower or more external spiritually. In some cases, the lower things have been separated and put away to protect the good, but in others, it can mean that a less exalted idea or good desire is supporting a more exalted one.

(Verweise: Arcana Coelestia 4564 [1-2], 8610, 9656)