8262. 'And said - they said' means as a result of influx. This is clear from the meaning of 'saying', when it refers to the ascription of glory to the Lord through a song, as influx. With regard to 'saying', that it also means influx, see 5743, 6152, 6291, 7291, 7381, 8221.

6291. 'And Joseph said to his father, Not so, my father, for this is the firstborn' means a perceptible influx regarding good, that the first place belonged to this. This is clear from the meaning of 'saying', when used in reference to the internal celestial, which 'Joseph' represents here, as an influx, dealt with in 6152, in this case a perceptible inflow because he not only grasped his father's hand but also said to him, Not so, my father, for this is the firstborn.