'Ishmael' signifies the Lord's merely human rational and rationality separate from good.

In Genesis 25:12, 'Ishmael' signifies the spiritual church.

(Izinkomba: Arcana Coelestia 1944)

'Leummim' signify the goods of faith and its varieties.

(Izinkomba: Arcana Coelestia 3241)