'Ishmael' signifies the Lord's merely human rational and rationality separate from good.

In Genesis 25:12, 'Ishmael' signifies the spiritual church.

(റഫറൻസുകൾ: Arcana Coelestia 1944)

'Ishbak' along with the other children listed in Genesis 25:2 represent the general types of allotment we have in the Lord's spiritual kingdom in the heavens and on earth. (Arcana Coelestia 3238)

(റഫറൻസുകൾ: Arcana Coelestia 3239)