'Ishmael' signifies the Lord's merely human rational and rationality separate from good.

In Genesis 25:12, 'Ishmael' signifies the spiritual church.

(Odkazy: Arcana Coelestia 1944)

'Edom' or 'Idumea,' as in Isaiah 34:5, signifies people who are in evil and falsities derived there.

(Odkazy: The Inner Meaning of the Prophets and Psalms 34)