6081. 'And Pharaoh said to Joseph - he said' means perception in the natural where factual knowledge resides. This is clear from the meaning of 'saying' as perception, dealt with often; from the representation of 'Pharaoh' as the natural where factual knowledge resides, dealt with in 5799, 6015, 6063; and from the representation of 'Joseph' as the internal, the source of perception in the natural, dealt with in 5469.