4708. 'And Israel said to Joseph' means perception from the Divine Spiritual. This is clear from the meaning of 'saying' in the historical narratives of the Word as perceiving, dealt with in 1791, 1815, 1819, 1822, 1898, 1919, 2080, 2619, 2862, 3395, 3509, and from the representation of 'Joseph' as the Divine Spiritual, dealt with in 4669.

Finding, or being found, can have different meanings in the Word, depending on the context. Here are two examples:

From Arcana Coelestia 5756, 'Behold, the silver which we found in the mouth of our pouches' means when truth freely given.

In Revelation 18:21, we find this: "And one strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be cast down, and shall not be found any more." Here, "to not to be found any more," signifies not to rise again, according to Apocalypse Explained 1183.