6868. 'And that I should lead the children of Israel out' means and so deliver those who belonged to the spiritual Church. This is clear from the meaning of 'leading out' as delivering, as above in 6865; and from the representation of 'the children of Israel' as those belonging to the spiritual Church, dealt with in 6637, 6862, 6865.

5833. 'And now, when I come to your servant my father' means the good of the Church corresponding to the spiritual good which is that of the internal Church. This is clear from the representation of Judah, who says this about himself, as the good of the Church, dealt with in 5583, 5603, 5782, and from the representation of Israel, who is his 'father' here, as spiritual good, dealt with in 5807, 5812, 5813, 5817, 5819, 5825. The good of the Church that 'Judah' represents is the good of the external Church, whereas the spiritual good that 'Israel' represents is the good of the internal Church, 4286. For every Church of the Lord's is both internal and external, and features of the external Church correspond to features of the internal Church, so that the good of the Church which is 'Judah' corresponds to spiritual good which is 'Israel'.