5782. 'And Judah said' means a perception imparted to the good of the Church in the natural. This is clear from the meaning of 'saying' in the historical narratives of the Word as perception, dealt with often (it is an imparted perception because all perception comes from the internal, that is, it flows in from the Lord by way of the internal, 5779); and from the representation of 'Judah' as the good of the Church, dealt with in 5583, 5603, 5775. Regarding Judah's representation, it should be recognized that in the highest sense he represents the Lord as regards His Divine Love, and in the internal sense His celestial kingdom, see 3654, 3881, and so the celestial kind of love there. Here therefore the good of love present with the Church in the natural is meant because now it exists among those who represent things in the natural which are to be joined to the internal.

1708. 'And he brought out his trained men, born in his house' means these goods residing with the External Man which were now released from the yoke of slavery. This is clear from the meaning of 'trained men' and also of 'bore in Abram's house'. In the internal sense 'Abram's trained men' - that is, trained but inexperienced - are those goods residing with the External Man that are able to be joined to the Interior Man, while those 'born in the house' in the internal sense are those same goods, and also truths, as belonging to that Interior Man. But these matters contain more arcana than can be made known. Those arcana have to do primarily with the way in which, following the conflicts brought about by temptations, apparent goods become genuine goods, and with the fact that when this happens they can be joined to the Interior Man and through the Interior Man to the Internal Man, and in like manner be made Divine. For the Lord, by degrees, joined the Human Essence to the Divine Essence, doing so, as has been stated, through conflicts and victories in temptations. These goods that were made genuine are what are called 'Abram's trained men' or inexperienced ones, for those goods had undergone training but were 'inexperienced'. And because they were acquired by His own power, they are called those 'born in the house'.