9785. 'Outside the veil which is over the Testimony' means where there is communication and, through the uniting intermediary, a joining to the Lord in the inmost heaven. This is clear from the meaning of 'the veil' as the intermediary uniting the inmost heaven and the middle heaven, dealt with in 9670, 9671, thus where there is communication and a joining together; and from the meaning of 'the Testimony' as the Lord in respect of Divine Truth.