4559. 'And called the place El Bethel' means a holy natural. This is clear from the meaning of 'Bethel' as the Divine Natural, dealt with in 4089, 4539, 4556. But when this place is called El Bethel it is not the Divine Natural that is meant but a holy natural, for when He made His Human Divine the Lord first of all made it holy. The difference between making Divine and making holy is that what is Divine is Jehovah Himself, whereas what is holy is from Jehovah. The former is the Divine Being (Esse) itself, the latter that which comes into being from this. When the Lord glorified Himself, He made even His Human the Divine Being (Esse) or Jehovah, 2156, 2329, 2921, 3023, 3035; but before He made His Human Divine He made it holy. It was by a process such as this that the Lord glorified His Human. This also is why in this verse Bethel is called El Bethel, to which the phrase 'for there the gods were revealed to him' is added, to explain what El means. In the original language El means God, but in this explanatory phrase the plural 'gods' is used because in the internal sense 'gods' means holy truths, 4402. In what follows however that place is called simply Bethel. That is, verse 15 says, 'Jacob called the name of the place Bethel', then adds, 'where God spoke to him', the singular 'God' being used this time. In the original language Bethel is 'the house of God', whereas El Bethel is 'the God of the house of God', and therefore El Bethel means a holy natural, Bethel the Divine Natural.

4015. 'And he stripped white strips on them - an exposing of the white which was on the rods' means an ordering effected by the interior power of truth. This is clear from the meaning of 'stripping' and of 'strips' as peelings away of the exterior parts so that the interior may be laid bare, and so as exposings; from the meaning of 'while' as truth, dealt with above in 3993, 4007; and from the meaning of 'a rod' as power, dealt with just above in 4013, in this case an interior power because the surface of the rods beneath their outer covering is meant. By an ordering effected by the interior power of truth is meant the power of the interior man acting on the exterior man, that is, of the spiritual man acting on the natural man. For all ordering of good and truth within the natural man comes from the spiritual man, that is, it comes from the Lord by way of the spiritual man - by way of the truth there. For the Lord flows into the good of the spiritual or interior man; and through the truth there He flows into the natural man. But He does not flow in directly by way of good into the natural until the person has been regenerated. All ordering within the natural man therefore is effected by the interior man. The natural - that is, the natural man - cannot possibly be ordered, that is, regenerated, in any other way.

[2] The fact that this ordering is effected by the interior man is evident from a person's acknowledgement of truth. Unless this acknowledgement is made by the interior man it is not acknowledgement; nor is it so unless it is made by conscience too, which is the acknowledgement by the interior man, and also by perception. Because the ordering by the interior man is effected by means of truth, power is therefore attributed to truth, as it is also to a rod, by which power is meant, as well as to the hand, by which likewise power is meant, 3091, as may be substantiated from very many places in the Word. Not that the power which truth possesses is from that truth but from good; and so it is truth empowered by good, that is, by the Lord through good. This shows to some extent what is meant by an ordering effected by the interior power of truth. In the highest sense, where the Lord is the subject, His own power is meant, for the power which the Divine has is His own power since it does not come from another.