10561. 'And You have not made known to me whom You will send with me' means that without Divine direction that thing cannot be accomplished. This is clear from the meaning of 'sending with Moses and that nation', when done by Jehovah, as the Divine who will be their guide, dealt with below. For Moses knew that he was indeed able to lead the people into the land of Canaan, but that if he did so without Divine guidance and direction they would not enter into possession of it, which implies and means that the Church would not be established among that nation, in keeping with what has been brought forward above in 10559, 10560. From this it is evident that '[You say to me,] Cause this people to go up but You have not made known to me whom You will send with me' means that without Divine direction the Church could not be established among that nation. This is what angels see in these words, irrespective of what men see in them; for angels see all things in the Word according to its internal sense, whereas men see them according to its external sense, which however has the internal within it. The reason why 'sending with them', when done by Jehovah, means the Divine who will be their guide is that 'being sent by Jehovah' means the Divine acting as guide, as well as meaning the Divine going forth. This is why in the original language 'angels' are so called from the idea of being sent, and why the Lord said so frequently that He had been sent by the Father, meaning that He was the Divine going forth, see 4710, 6831. All this shows what 'will send with me' is used to mean in the internal sense.

10560. 'See, You say to me, Cause this people to go up' means the solemn promise of a Church among that nation. This is clear from the meaning of 'You say to me', when what had been said had been said by Jehovah, as a solemn promise; and from the meaning of 'cause this people to go up' as that the Church may be established among that nation. These are the things that are meant in the internal sense by those words; but in the proximate sense ¹ the meaning is that they would be led into and take possession of the land of Canaan. For this meaning of being led into and taking possession of the land of Canaan as establishing the Church, see above in 10559. What all this entails has been shown in various places in what has gone before, that is to say, places which show that no Church could be established among that nation, only what was representative of the Church, because their interest lay in external things separated from what was internal; that people such as these cannot receive any influx from the Divine; and that yet the Church resides with a person in what is internal in him, not in what is external separated from it. People such as these are indeed able to represent the Church, but not to be a Church. To represent the Church but not to be a Church is the situation when people cultivate things of an external nature, calling them holy and Divine, yet do not acknowledge or perceive them with faith and love derived from heaven. See what has been stated above in 10526 about the meaning of 'causing the people to go up into the land'.

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