5315. 'And Pharaoh said to Joseph' means a [further] perception present in the natural but received from the celestial of the spiritual. This is clear from the meaning of 'saying' in the historical narratives of the Word as perceiving, often dealt with already; and from the representation of 'Pharaoh' as the natural, and the representation of 'Joseph' as the celestial of the spiritual, both of which have also been dealt with already. The reason a perception present in the natural but received from the celestial of the spiritual is meant is that the natural receives all the perception it has from what is above it, which in this case is the celestial of the spiritual.