8132. 'And Pharaoh will say of the children of Israel' means the thought of those lost in damnation regarding the state of those belonging to the spiritual Church. This is clear from the meaning of 'saying' as thought, dealt with in 7094, 7107, 7244, 7937; from the representation of 'Pharaoh' as those who molest by means of falsities, dealt with in 7107, 7110, 7126, 7142, 7220, 7228, 7317, at this point those who are lost in damnation, that is, who are steeped in utter falsities arising from evil since those thoroughly steeped in such falsities are lost in damnation (this state is meant by 'Pharaoh' and 'the Egyptians', after the firstborn there have been killed, for by the killing of the firstborn is meant damnation, 7766, 7778); and from the representation of 'the children of Israel' as those who belong to the spiritual Church, dealt with just above in 8128.

7937. 'That you shall say' means thought. This is clear from the meaning of 'saying' as thought, dealt with in 3395, 7094. The reason why 'saying' here means thought is that 'saying' just above in 7935 meant perception belonging to conscience; but here it introduces a reply, which in relation to the perception belonging to conscience is thought.