4892. 'And they said' means perception received from truths. This is clear from the meaning of 'saying' in the historical descriptions of the Word as perceiving, dealt with in 1791, 1815, 1819, 1822, 1898, 1919, 2080, 2619, 2862, 3509. Perception received from truths is meant because it was 'the men of the place' who spoke - 'the men of the place' meaning truths, see just above in 4889.

4889. 'And he asked the men of her place' means that truths were consulted. This is clear from the meaning of 'asking' as consulting, and from the meaning of 'the men' as truths, dealt with in 265, 749, 1007, 3134, 3309. 'The men of the place' means truths connected with the state belonging to the matter, for 'place' means state, 2625, 2837, 3356, 3387.