3136. 'And behold, he was standing with the camels' means presence in general facts. This is clear from the meaning of 'standing with' as being present, and from the meaning of 'the camels' as general facts, dealt with in 3048, 3071.

In Isaiah 29:9, the phrase 'to be drunken without wine' points to people who don't care about the Word or the truths of faith, and thus have no inclination to know any thing about faith. (Arcana Coelestia 1072[6])

(参考: Arcana Coelestia 1072 [1-6]; Isaiah 29)