4275. 'Until dawn came up' means before natural good, meant by 'Jacob', was joined to the celestial-spiritual, that is, to the Divine good of truth. This is clear from the meaning of 'the dawn' in the highest sense as the Lord, in the representative sense as His kingdom, and in the universal sense as the celestial element of love, dealt with in 2405, and in this case the celestial-spiritual. For when the dawn came up Jacob received the name Israel, by which the celestial-spiritual man is meant. Before the coming up of the dawn therefore means before natural good, now meant by 'Jacob', was joined to celestial-spiritual good. What celestial-spiritual is will be stated below at verse 28, where Israel is the subject.

6264. 'And behold, God has caused me to see your seed also' means that not only an inflow of love was discerned, but also the goodness and truth springing from it. This is clear from the representation of Manasseh and Ephraim, to whom 'seed' refers here, as good belonging to the will and truth belonging to the understanding, dealt with in 5354, 6222, as well as from the meaning of 'seed' also as goodness and truth, 1610, 2848, 3310, 3373, 7671. And since the words used are 'I did not think to see your face, and behold, God has caused me to see', the meaning is that not only an inflow of love was discerned, but also the goodness and truth springing from it; for 'seeing the face' means an inflow of love, see immediately above in 6263.

8381. When the spirits from Jupiter saw horses belonging to our planet those horses seemed to me to be smaller than usual, though in fact they were quite powerful and tall ones. This was due to the idea that spirits from that planet had about the horses there. They said that their horses were similar yet much larger, but that they are wild or live in forests and that when caught sight of they terrify people, although they are completely harmless. They added that their fear of them is innate or natural. This gave them an opportunity to think about the cause of that fear. In the spiritual world a horse represents an understanding formed from factual knowledge, 2761-2763, 6534; and since they fear to cultivate their understanding by means of knowledge, fear therefore enters them. The fact that they have no interest in the factual knowledge belonging to human learning will be seen further on.