1991. 'He said to him' means perception. This is clear from the Lord's perception which came from Jehovah, dealt with already in 1919, and from the fact that in the internal sense 'Jehovah saying' or 'God saying' means perceiving, 1602, 1791, 1815, 1819, 1822.

1822. That 'He said to him' means perception is clear from what has been stated above at verses 2 and 7. Perception itself is nothing else than a certain form of conversing that takes place inwardly, but which makes itself known whenever the spoken word is grasped perceptively. Every form of inward dictate, even conscience, is nothing else; but perception is a higher or more interior degree of it.