4936. On several occasions spirits have appeared holding rods, who, I was told, were magicians. They are in front, a long way off on the right, deeply within caverns. Magicians who have been more malevolent ones are hidden more deeply than the rest within them. They seem to themselves to have rods, and by means of delusions they also produce many more kinds of rods, believing that they can use these to perform miracles. For they imagine that these rods have power within them, and they imagine this because the right hand and the arm, which by correspondence are embodiments of strength and power, support themselves on those rods. This has made it evident to me why people of old assigned rods to magicians, for the gentiles of old received this idea from the representative Ancient Church, in which rods, like the hand, meant power, see 4876. And because these meant power Moses was commanded, when miracles were performed, to stretch out his rod or his hand, Exodus 4:17, 20; 8:5-20; 9:23; 10:3-21; 14:21, 26-27; 17:5-6, 11-12; Numbers 20:7-10.

8571. 'To cause me, and my children, and my livestock to die of thirst?' means, in order for everything constituting spiritual life to perish, owing to the lack of truth? This is clear from the meaning of 'dying' as perishing, at this point so far as spiritual life is concerned; from the meaning of 'me, my children, and my livestock' as everything constituting spiritual life, since 'me' - or a person (homo) belonging to the Church - means the good of charity and faith, 'children' or 'sons' interior truths of faith, and 'livestock' exterior truths leading to good, thus everything constituting spiritual life (spiritual life consists of the good of charity and faith, and of the truth of faith, internal and external; for the meaning of 'person' or 'man' (homo) as good, see 4287; 'children' or 'sons' as the truths of faith, 489, 491, 533, 2623, 2803, 2813, 3373, 3704; and 'livestock' as truths leading to good, 6016, 6045, 6049); and from the meaning of 'thirst' as the lack of truth, dealt with just above in 8568 (end).