4514. 'Jacob said' means the external Ancient Church. This is clear from the representation of 'Jacob' as the Ancient Church, dealt with in 4439. And since the Ancient Church, like every other Church, is external and internal, 'Jacob' in the Word represents the external Church and 'Israel' the internal, 4286.

In Genesis 19:8, they signify the affections of good and truth, and the blessedness perceivable from the enjoyment thereof by people who do not violate the divine and holy principle of the Lord.

(Reference: Arcana Coelestia 2362)