아침 식사 후 대화

By Joe David (machine translated into 한국어)

This inscription is on a stone at the church hall in South Ronaldsey, in the Orkneys, northeast of Scotland.

아침 식사 후 대화(요한 복음 21:15-25)

이 장의 첫 부분에서 일곱 명의 제자들은 갈릴리로 왔습니다. 그들은 낚시를 했고, 해안가에서 예수님을 보았고, 배의 오른쪽에서 물고기를 잡으라는 지시를 따랐으며, 153마리의 물고기가 들어있는 그물을 해안으로 끌고갔습니다. 그분과의 아침 식사를 마친 후 그들은 편안합니다.

예수님은 베드로에게 "너는 나를 사랑하느냐?"라고 묻자 베드로는 그 질문에 약간 깜짝 놀랍니다. 베드로는 명백하게 "예"라고 대답하고, 예수님은 "내 양을 먹이라."라고 말씀하십니다. 이 순서는 두 번 더 반복되지만 약간의 변화가 있습니다. 그리고 이 특별한 대화 후에 주님은 그들에게 젊을 때와 나이가 들었을 때의 차이에 대한 비유를 말씀하십니다. 그런 다음 주님께서는 베드로에게 자기를 따르라고 말씀하시자, 질투심이 많은 베드로는 요한이 해야 할 일을 묻습니다. 주님은 베드로에게 "내가 올 때까지 그를 머물게 하고자 할지라도, 그것이 네게 무슨 상관이냐?"라고 말씀하십니다.

마지막으로 요한복음서, 그리고 실제로 사대복음의 전집은 요한이 자신이 이 복음의 필자라는 설명으로 마무리됩니다.

이제 그 대화와 비유 및 질투가 왜 발생하는지에 대해 자세히 살펴 보겠습니다.

이 부분에서는 일곱 제자 중 오직 두 사람, 베드로와 요한만 언급되어 있습니다. 베드로는 믿음 즉 진리를 나타내지만, 우리가 정말로 믿는 영적인 것에 대한 진리는 하나님에게서 옵니다. 요한은 선과 이웃에 대한 사랑을 나타냅니다. 전자는 마음의 이해 부분에 있고 후자는 마음의 의지 부분에 있습니다.

주님께서 베드로에게 양을 먹이라고 말씀하실 때 그분을 따르라는 것의 의미는, 모든 제자들이 주님과 그분의 오심에 대해 알고 있고 진리를 따르는 사람이 되기 위해서 삶이 어떻게 인도되어야 하는지와 관련한 진리를 전파하는 것을 의미합니다. 대화에서 주님은 직접적이고 탐구적입니다. "요한의 아들 시몬아, 네가 이 사람들보다 나를 더 사랑하느냐"라고 물으심은 베드로가 주 예수님을 사랑하는지, 동료 갈릴리 친구들을 사랑하는 것보다 주 예수님을 사랑하는지 묻는 질문을 받고 있다고 생각합니다. 비록 모호하긴 하지만, "이 다른 여섯 사람보다 나를 더 사랑하느냐?"라는 의미일 수 있습니다. 베드로는 "내가 주님을 사랑하는 줄 주님께서 아시나이다."라고 대답합니다.

세 가지 질문 중 첫 번째 질문으로 주님은 "내 양을 먹이라"라고 대답하시고, 그 후에 "내 양을 먹이라"라고 대답하십니다. 양과 어린 양은 모두 선을 행하기 원하는 사람들을 나타내지만 양은 이웃을 위해 선을 행하기를 원하는 사람들을 의미하며, 양들은 주님을 위해 선을 행하는 사람들을 의미합니다. 첫 번째는 영적인 선이며, 두 번째는 더 높은 천적인 선이라고 합니다. 그러나 처음에 선을 행하려는 사람들은 무엇이 좋은지 알지 못합니다. 그들은 말씀을 통해 배울 필요가 있습니다. 이것이 베드로가 "그들에게 먹이를 주라"는 말을 듣는 이유이며, 그것은 진리가 어떻게 선이 행해져야 하는지를 알려준다는 말입니다. 선을 행하기 위해서는 의지와 그에 대한 이해가 필요합니다. 성공적인 신앙 생활, 또는 더 큰 규모인 기독교 교회인 '베드로'와 '요한'은 조화롭게 일해야 합니다.

주님은 "내가 진실로 진실로 네게 이르노니 젊어서는 네가 스스로 띠띠고 원하는 곳으로 다녔거니와 늙어서는 내 팔을 벌리리니 남이 네게 띠 띠우고 원치 아니하는 곳으로 데려가리라"라고 말씀하십니다.

이것은 여기엔 맞지 않는 것 같지만, 물론 두 가지 면에서 그렇습니다. 첫 번째는 성경에 나온 주님의 죽음에 관한 것입니다. 모든 예언들에 언급된 바와 같이 주님을 십자가에 못박도록 인도하고 있었습니다. 두 번째는 우리 모두에게 주는 교훈입니다. 우리가 젊고, 자신감 있고, 강할 때, 우리는 우리가 원하는 것을 할 수 있고 어떤 도움도 필요하지 않다고 느낍니다. 이것은 우리 자신이 다룰 수 있는 악을 행하려는 유혹입니다. 그러나 우리가 현명해지면 우리의 모든 힘은 주님에게서 나온다는 것을 깨닫고, 만약 우리가 계속해서 우리 자신에게만 의존한다면 지옥에서 오는 유혹은 너무 강해질 것이고 우리는 우리가 원하는 것이 아니라 지옥에서 우리를 위해 원하는 것을 하게 될 것입니다. 우리는 시작부터 주님을 따르고 주님께 의지하는 법을 배워야 합니다. 주님께서 이 비유의 끝에서, 우리가 비유를 이해하기에 부족하다고 말씀하십니다. 주님께서 "나를 따르라"라고 하셨을 때 우리는 그렇게 해야 합니다.

베드로가 이렇게 진리를 설교하는 것에 기뻐하고 어쩌면 자신이 뽑혔다고 느낄지도 모르지만, 요한도 주님을 사랑하고 그 보답으로 사랑받는다는 것을 깨닫기도 합니다. 그래서 그는 "그리고 이 남자는 어떻게 되겠사옵나이까?"라고 묻습니다. 필요한 조화는 아직 이루어지지 않은 것 같고, 베드로가 요한을 시기하고 있으며, 아마도 자신이 1등이라는 것을 확신하기를 바라고 있지만 그런 일은 일어나지 않습니다. 베드로는 그저 그것이 중요하지 않다고만 말하지만 그는 주어진 일을 해야 합니다.

창세기 25에서는 에서는 맏아들이며, 이삭의 출생권과 복을 당연한 것으로 물려 받을 것입니다. 야곱은 어머니가 고안한 수법으로 이삭을 속이고 에서의 것을 훔칩니다. 그리고는 파단아람으로 도망가 삼촌과 함께 그곳에 머물며 부자가 됩니다. 그는 돌아오는 길에 천사와 씨름하고 그의 이름을 이스라엘로 바꾼 후 비로소 에서를 만납니다. 명칭의 변경은 이제 야곱이 말씀으로부터 진리를 얻어 부자가 되었음을 의미하며, 에서의 친근한 만남과 더불어 쌍둥이가 우화를 할 수 있게 된 것을 의미하며, 이스라엘이라고 하는 한 인격체로 합쳐져, 마음 속에 선과 진리가 결합됨을 의미합니다.

에서는 요한과 비슷한 의미이며, 둘다 선함과 진정한 자선을 상징합니다. 야곱은 베드로와 비슷한 것을 의미하며, 둘 다 말씀을 통해 배운 진리를 나타냅니다. 적대감은 둘 다 쓸모 없게 만들 수 있고, 천사가 되어가는 사람(모든 사람들이 지향해야 하는 것처럼)은 적대감이 없습니다. 진실은 선을 가능하게 하고, 선은 어떤 것을 성취하기 위해 진리를 고무합니다. 비록 우리가 그것들을 따로 생각하고 말할 수는 있지만, 그들은 결혼했다고 보여질 수 있도록 결합되어 있습니다. 주님의 선과 진리의 결혼은 모든 창조의 기원입니다.

선과 진리의 이 결합, 그리고 우리 삶에서 균형과 조화를 이루며 일해야 할 필요성은 새교회의 핵심 개념입니다.

복음서에는 이 이야기 다음에 또 하나의 이야기가 있습니다. 그 안에서 나머지 제자들은 여기에 언급된 일곱 명과 함께 주님의 마지막 계명을 듣습니다.

175. I will give him power over the nations, signifies over the evils within him, which will then be scattered by the Lord. This is evident from the signification of "nations," as being evils (of which presently); and from the signification of "giving power over them," as being that these (the evils) will then be dispersed by the Lord. "To have power," in reference to "over the nations," means to scatter in reference to evils; thus there is an adaptation of words to their subjects. It is said that evils will be scattered by the Lord, for the Lord scatters evils by means of truths. He first discovers them to man by means of truths, and when man acknowledges the evils, the Lord scatters them. (That the Lord alone does this, see The Doctrine of the New Jerusalem 200.) "Nations and peoples" are often mentioned in the Word, and those who know nothing of the spiritual or internal sense of the Word, believe that peoples and nations are to be understood. But "peoples" mean those who are in truths, or in the contrary sense those who are in falsities, and "nations" those who are in goods, or in the contrary sense, those who are in evils. And as such are meant by "peoples" and by "nations," so abstractly from persons "peoples" mean truths or falsities, and "nations" goods and evils; for the true spiritual sense is abstracted from persons, spaces, times, and like things, that are proper to nature.

[2] With these the natural sense of the Word, which is the sense of its letter, is at one; and the sense that is at one with these serves as a basis to the sense that is apart from them. For all things that are in nature are ultimates of Divine order, and the Divine does not rest in the middle, but flows down even to its ultimates, and there subsists. From this it is that the Word in the letter is such as it is, and unless it were such it would not serve as a basis for the wisdom of angels who are spiritual. It can be seen from this how mistaken those are who despise the Word on account of its style. "Nations" signify those who are in good, and in the abstract, goods, because men who lived in ancient times were divided into nations, families, and houses; and they then loved each other mutually; and the father of a nation loved the whole nation which was from him; thus the good of love reigned among them. For this reason "nations" signified goods. But when men came into the opposite state, which took place in the following ages when empires were established, then "nations" signified evils. (See further on this subject in the small work on The Earths in the Universe 49, 90, 173, 174.)

[3] That "nations" in the Word signify either goods or evils, and "people" either truths or falsities, can be seen from the following passages. In Isaiah:

Nations shall walk to Thy light, and kings to the brightness of Thy rising. Then shalt Thou see and flow together, and Thine heart shall be enlarged, because the multitude of the sea is converted unto Thee, the army of the nations come unto Thee; Thy gates shall be opened continually, they shall not be shut by day and by night, that men may bring unto Thee the army of the nations, and their kings shall be brought; for the nation or kingdom that will not serve Thee shall perish; and the nations by wasting shall be wasted. Thou shalt suck the milk of nations, even the breasts of kings shalt Thou suck. The little one shall become a thousand, and the few a numerous nation (Isaiah 60:3, 5, 11-12, 16, 22).

Here the Lord is treated of; and by "nations" all who are in the good of love to Him are meant, and by "kings" all who are in the truths of faith in Him. From this it is manifest who are meant by the "nations" that "shall walk to Thy light;" and by "the army of the nations that shall be brought;" also, who are meant by "the kings" that "shall walk to the brightness of Thy rising;" and by "the kings of the nations" that "shall be brought;" also, what is meant by "Thou shalt suck the milk of nations and the breasts of kings" ("milk" is the delight of the good of love, likewise "breasts," for milk is from them). The multiplication of truth and the fructification of good are described by the "little one shall become a thousand, and the few a numerous nation." But by "the nations that shall be wasted" are meant all that are in evils, and also the evils themselves.

[4] In the same:

Behold I will lift up My hand towards the nations, and set up Mine ensign towards the peoples, that they may bring thy sons in the bosom, and carry thy daughters upon the shoulder; and kings shall be thy nourishers and the chief women thy sucklers; with the face to the earth shall they bow down to thee (Isaiah 49:22, 23).

Here also the Lord is treated of, and those who shall worship and adore Him. To "lift up His hand towards the nations, and His ensign towards the peoples, " ¹ is to join to Himself all who are in the goods of love and in truths therefrom; of these it is said that "they shall bring thy sons in the bosom, and carry thy daughters upon the shoulder;" "sons" are the affections of truth, and "daughters" the affections of good (See above, n. 166). And of these it is said that their "kings shall be thy nourishers, and the chief women thy sucklers." "Kings" are truths themselves, "chief women" are the goods thereof; and as man is regenerated by both of these, and also nourished, it is said that they shall be "nourishers" and "sucklers." (That man is regenerated by means of truths and a life according to them, see in The Doctrine of the New Jerusalem 23, 24, 27, 186.) This is the internal sense of these words; without that sense who could understand them?

[5] In the same:

Jehovah said, Behold I spread out upon Jerusalem peace as a river, and as a torrent the glory of the nations, that ye may suck. He will come to gather all nations and tongues, that they may come and see My glory. They shall declare My glory among the nations; then shall they bring your brethren out of all nations, as a gift to Jehovah, upon horses and upon the chariot, to the mountain of My holiness (Isaiah 66:12, 18-20).

Here "Jerusalem" is the Lord's church in the heavens and on the earth; it is said the church in the heavens, for the church is there also (See in the work on Heaven and Hell 221-227). By "nations and tongues" all who are in the goods of love and in truths therefrom are meant. It is said that "they shall bring out of all nations a gift to Jehovah, upon horses and upon the chariot;" "a gift to Jehovah" is worship from the good of love; "horses and chariots" are intellectuals and doctrinals, for these are the source and foundation of worship. (That this is what "horses and chariots" signify, see The White Horse 1-5.)

[6] In the same:

It shall be in that day that a Root of Jesse, which shall stand for a sign of the people, the nations shall seek (Isaiah 11:10). "The root of Jesse" is the Lord; "to stand for a sign of the people" means that it may be seen by those who are in truths; "the nations which shall seek," are those who are in the good of love. It is believed that "nations" here mean the nations that are to approach and acknowledge the Lord, from which is to be the church that is called the church of the Gentiles; but these are not meant by "nation" but all who are in love to the Lord and faith in Him, whether within the church or out of it (See in the work on Heaven and Hell 308, 318-328).

[7] In the same:

A strong people shall honor Thee, the city of the powerful nations shall fear thee (Isaiah 25:3).

In the same:

Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation may enter in. Thou hast increased the nation, O Jehovah, Thou hast increased the nation, Thou art glorified (Isaiah 26:2, 15).

In the same:

Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye peoples (Isaiah 34:1).

In the same:

I, Jehovah, have called thee in righteousness, for a covenant to the people, for a light of the nations (Isaiah 42:6).

In Jeremiah:

The nations shall bless themselves in Him, and in Him shall they glory (Jeremiah 4:2).

In the same:

Who will not fear Thee, O king of nations? and in all their kingdom there is none like unto Thee (Jeremiah 10:7).

In Daniel:

I was seeing in the night visions, and behold with the clouds of heaven One like the Son of man. And there was given Him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom; and all peoples, nations, and tongues shall worship Him (Daniel 7:13, 14).

In David:

The peoples shall give thanks unto Thee, O God; all the peoples shall give thanks unto Thee. Let the nations be glad and sing for joy; for Thou shalt judge the peoples with equity, and shalt lead the nations upon the earth (Psalms 67:3, 4).

In the same:

That I may see the good of Thy chosen, and be glad in the joy of Thy nations (Psalms 106:5).

In Revelation:

The glory and honor of the nations shall be brought into the New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:26).

In Isaiah:

Ye shall be called priests of Jehovah; ministers of your ² God, it shall be said to you. Ye shall eat the wealth of the nations, and in their glory shall ye glory (Isaiah 61:6).

In the Lamentations:

The breath of our nostrils, the Anointed of Jehovah, was taken in their pits; of whom we had said, In His shadow we shall live among the nations (Lamentations 4:20).

In these passages, by "nations" all who are in love to the Lord, whether within the church where the Word is or outside it, are meant.

[8] That by "nations" in a contrary sense those who are in evils are meant, and in the abstract, evils themselves, can be seen from the following passages. In Jeremiah:

I will bring a nation upon you from far, it is a mighty nation; it is a nation of an age, a nation whose tongue thou shalt not know. It shall eat up thy harvest and thy bread; it shall eat up thy sons and thy daughters; it shall eat up thy vine and thy fig-tree; it shall impoverish the cities with the sword (Jeremiah 5:15, 17).

The vastation of the church is here treated of; and by "nation" is meant the evil that will consummate it; it is therefore said, that "it shall eat up the harvest and the bread," "the sons and daughters," "the vine and the fig-tree," and "shall impoverish the cities with the sword;" by which all the goods of love and the truths of faith are signified; by "harvest" a state of the reception of truth from good (See Arcana Coelestia 9295); by "bread" the good of love (See in The Doctrine of the New Jerusalem 218); by "sons and daughters" the affections of truth and good (See above, n. 166); by "vine" the internal church, thus the internal things of the church (See Arcana Coelestia 1069, 5113, 6376, 9277); by "fig-tree" the external church, thus the external things of the church (Arcana Coelestia 5113); by "cities" doctrines (Arcana Coelestia 402, 2449, 2712, 2943, 3216, 4492, 4493); by "sword" falsity destroying (See above, n. 73, 131). From this it can be seen that by "nations" is signified the evil that destroys all these.

[9] In the same:

Behold I lay stumbling-blocks before this people, that they may stumble upon them, the fathers and the sons together. Behold, a people cometh from the land of the north, and a great nation from the sides of the earth. They have no compassion, their voice roareth like the sea, and they ride upon horses (Jeremiah 6:21-23).

Here also "nation" means evil, and "peoples" falsities, "the stumbling-blocks upon which the fathers and the sons stumble" are the perversions of good and truth ("fathers" are goods, and "sons" truths therefrom). It is said, "a people from the land of the north, and a nation from the sides of the earth," for the "north" signifies falsity from evil, and "the sides of the earth" signify what is outside of the church, thus evils remote from the goods of the church. "To roar like the sea, and to ride upon horses," is to persuade by fallacies of the senses, and by reasonings therefrom.

[10] In Ezekiel:

The land is full of the judgment of bloods, and the city is full of violence, wherefore I will bring the worst of the nations, that they may occupy their houses; the king shall mourn, and the prince shall be clothed with stupor (Ezekiel 7:23-24, 27).

The "land" is the church; "full of the judgment of bloods" is to be in falsities that destroy goods; "city" is doctrine; "full of violence" is to use force against the good of charity; "the worst of the nations" are direful falsities from evil; "to occupy their houses" is to possess their minds; "the king who shall mourn" is the truth of the church; "the prince who shall be clothed with stupor," is subservient truth. (That the "land" is the church, see Arcana Coelestia 662, 1066, 1068, 1262, 1413, 1607, 2928, 3355, 4447, 4535, 5577, 8011, 9325, 9643; that "bloods" are falsities destroying good, n. 374, 1005, 4735, 5476, 9127; that "city" is doctrine, n. 2268, 2449, 2451, 2712, 2943, 3216, 4492, 4493; that "violence" is using force against the good of charity, n. 6353; that "houses" are the things of man that belong to his mind, n. 710, 2231, 2233, 2559, 3128, 3538, 4973, 5023, 6690, 7353, 7848, 7910, 7929, 9150; that "the king who shall mourn" is the truth of the church, see above n. 31.)

[11] In David:

Jehovah bringeth the counsel of the nations to naught, He overthroweth the thoughts of the peoples (Psalms 33:10).

"Nations" mean those who are in evils, and "peoples" those who are in falsities; and because both are signified, it is said that "Jehovah bringeth the counsel of the nations to naught, and overthroweth the thoughts of the peoples," which are two expressions, as it were, of one thing, yet they are distinct in the internal sense, in which "nations" signify one thing, and "peoples" another.

[12] In Luke:

Then they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive among all nations, and at length Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the nations, until the time of the nations be fulfilled. Then there shall be signs in sun, moon, and stars, and upon the earth anguish of nations, the sea and the waves roaring (Luke 21:24-25).

The consummation of the age is here treated of, which is the last time of the church, when there is no longer any faith because there is no charity, or no truth because there is no good. This is here described by correspondences: "to fall by the edge of the sword" is to be destroyed by falsities; "to be led captive among all nations" is to be possessed by evils of every kind; "Jerusalem, which shall be trodden down," is the church; the "sun" is love to the Lord; the "moon" faith in Him; the "stars" the knowledges of good and truth; the "signs" in them mean that these are to perish; "the sea and the waves that shall roar" are fallacies and reasonings therefrom.

[13] In Matthew:

Nation shall rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. And they shall deliver you unto affliction, and ye shall be hated of all the nations for My name's sake (Matthew 24:7, 9; Luke 21:10, 11).

These things also were said by the Lord respecting the last time of the church; and by "nation shall rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom" is signified that there will be conflicts of evils and falsities among themselves; by "famines and pestilences" are signified the failure and wasting of truths; by "earthquakes" the perversion of the church; by "being hated of all nations" is signified to be hated by all who are in evil; "the name of the Lord," for the sake of which they shall be hated, signifies all things of love and faith whereby the Lord is worshiped (See above, n. 102, 135).

[14] In Ezekiel:

Behold Asshur a cedar in Lebanon. He has become high, and his branches have been multiplied. In his branches have all the fowl of the heavens built their nests, and under his branches all the beasts of the field have brought forth, and in his shade have dwelt all great nations. But his heart is lifted up in his height; therefore I will give him into the hand of the strong one of the nations, strangers shall cut him off, the violent of the nations, and they shall cast him down; whence all peoples of the earth have gone down from his shadow, and have abandoned him (Ezekiel 31:3, 5, 6, 10-12).

These things no one can understand unless he has a knowledge of the spiritual or internal sense of the Word. He will believe them to be mere comparisons, in which there is no spiritual signification; when yet all the particulars therein signify things of heaven and the church; therefore they shall be explained briefly. "Asshur" is the rational of the man of the church which is illustrated; this is called "a cedar in Lebanon," because a "cedar" has the same signification as "Asshur," specifically truth from good in the rational; and "Lebanon" is the mind where the rational resides, because there were cedars in Lebanon.

By "his branches that were multiplied" are meant truths therefrom; "the fowl of the heavens that built their nests in his branches" are the affections of truth; and "the beasts of the field that brought forth under his branches" are the affections of good; the "great nations that dwelt in his shade" are the goods of love; "his heart lifted up in his height" is the love of self; "to be given into the hands of the strong one of the nations," and "to be cast down by the violent of the nations," means that evils from that love will destroy goods and truths; "the peoples of the earth that went down from his shadow and abandoned him" are all truths of the church. From this it is manifest that "nations" signify goods, and in the contrary sense evils; by "the nations that dwelt in his shade," goods; and by "the nations that cut him off, and cast him down," evils. (See, moreover, what is said and shown about nations and their signification in Arcana Coelestia, namely, that by "nations" in the Word are meant those who are in good, and consequently goods themselves, n. 1059, 1159, 1258, 1260, 1416, 1849, 6005; "the assembly of the nations," truths and goods, n. 4574, 7830; "the holy nation," the spiritual kingdom, n. 9255, 9256; when it is said "nation and people," by "nation" those who are in celestial good are meant, and by "people" those who are in spiritual good, n. 10288. That by "nations," especially the nations of the land of Canaan, evils and falsities of every kind are meant, n. 1059, 1205, 1868, 6306, 8054, 8317, 9320, 9327).

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